Saturday, October 25, 2008

A Political Response

Yesterday I read a blog from one of my regular feeds... a nice, extremely smart guy from Florida that is of Minorcan descent. As a 9th generation member of one of the oldest ethnic groups in Florida, he's a strong defender of the Old Florida... people that know what a coontie and a datil are.

So it was with trepidation that I contemplated responding to his blog, I've had it... It's the final straw. What set him off was the story about the girl who had a "B" carved into her face because she was a McCain volunteer... which has turned out to be false. I don't know... what was their first clue? That it was backward?

Anyway, he is concerned about voters being unable or unwilling to note Obama's general failings as a viable choice for President. On the one hand, I wish I was HALF as politically motivated at his age.

But on the other, I'm concerned that his arguments, from my perspective, are based on some fairly spurious innuendo by Republican leadership.

So I had to respond... and I tried to do it in a way that does not negate his political views. I welcome people that think differently than me because it makes me really examine why I'm voting. I think we will have to agree to disagree on most things, but want the argument to be substantive.

You're obviously intelligent... I've been reading your blog long enough to pick that up. But I can't understand why you're regurgitating half-truths about Obama.

There are lot of things I don't know about either candidate.

Regarding #1

McCain was, at one time, an amazing legislator. He broke with the party line when he felt that his constituency would not be served by their policy. Frankly, I think McCain is a little too aggressive in his foreign policy. But where it really broke down for me was his choice of running mate. Palin had little business being Alaska's Governor, much less next in line for the Presidency. She has proven time and again that she has little ability to think beyond the confines of her own stunted belief system and she thinks government can be run like the PTA. It was a clear message to me that McCain's interest was doing what he thought could get him elected, not what was good for the country. I don't care how much experience you have, once you start acting incompetent in the present, you negate any claims to experience in the past.

So what we are left with is a questionably senile old man and a poorly informed, hypocritical "hockey mom" or an "inexperienced" U.S. Senator and his 5 term, middle of the road Senator VP nominee. Choose. Now. You’ve got four years to live with your decision.

Regarding #2

The things that I've questioned about Obama, I've actually taken the time to read about... you know, from unbiased sources. What do you disagree with that ACORN has done? Its work to ensure low to middle income families have access to health care and affordable housing? Its work to help Hurricane Katrina victims?

I know... it’s their work to register voters, isn't it? Because you believe that ACORN is involved in massive voter registration fraud, right?

What do you know about it... really? Tell me what they've done. Because everything that I've read that bothers to go beyond the fact that ACORN received fraudulent registration forms notes that they have followed the legal requirements and flagged them as problematic. They have been upfront with the issue that fraudulent registrations have been taken and possibly even submitted by their employees. Yikes! and then they fired them... and cooperated with prosecutors and the FBI. Where does and organization's responsibility for the actions of its employees end?

And what about Bill Ayers? What was the connection to Obama? Bill Ayers is a douchebag. We agree on that. But the connection between the two was tangential at best, and that is obvious to anyone that knows anything about how politics work in the real world. They served on the boards of two non-profits together. Ayers hosted a meet and greet for Obama's first run for Illinois Senate. The Ayers connection there was more with Alice Palmer than with Obama.

If this kind of connection is enough to link someone to another's nefarious past, then I have no doubt that both you and I could be tied to child molesters, the Klan, drug dealers and jack-o-lantern smashers.

As for Wright... I don't really know much about him. I've heard bits of some sermons that I don't necessarily agree with. There are statements that he perpetuated (like the US government made HIV) that are pure craziness. But I've heard sermons in my own church growing up that I didn't agree with and would disclaim today. But if you read some of those sermons about American foreign and domestic policy... the ones that got everybody up in arms... he was largely right. The US government does do a lot of things that make us look overbearing in the eyes of the world. And the US government has treated Native Americans, minorities (probably even MINORCANS) and women as second class citizens in our history. The really funny thing is that McCain defended Obama and his connection to Wright during the Democratic primary when Hillary was beating up on him.

"I think that when people support you, it doesn't mean that you support everything they say. Obviously, those words and those statements are statements that none of us would associate ourselves with, and I don't believe that Senator Obama would support any of those, as well."

Regarding #3

"My attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody. I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."

What don't you agree with? Do you equate everyone participating in a healthy economy to be socialism?

I understand that there are policy issues that you might have with Obama. But please... argue the real issues and not the fake stories that get thrown out there to confuse things and play on our fears.


Reducing in HM said...

May I hug this post please? Thank you!

Joey B said...

Hug away.

Aunty Belle said...

Well howdy do, Joey B.

reckon I likes ya right off on account of yore love/ interest in Old Floridy.

Thanky fer yore visit to the Front Porch.

As to yore comment--Americans is resilient. Right. At least, used to be. But when the constitution is trashed, they ain't enough left to be resilient for.

Really ain't meanin' to come to yore parlor and kevetch on Obama. He is a prop for an ideology that I sees as pernicious to the polity.

Joey, in response to yore post that lays out yore comments at Pure Florida, may I make a few rejoinders?

Seems ya' might be brushin' off the criticisms of Obama too easily. Ya worry about Palin, but Obama ain't got nearly as much tread on a real road as that woman has. He ain't never run no bidnes, no town, no state.

Whar's yore curiosity? Ain't ya wonderin' why Obama woan release his college records? His thesis papers? his grades? What is this man hiding? OTher than the plagiarism that has been proved against him in college.

OBama's associations ain't passin' muster unless a person jes' doan wanna think it through. Does ya REALLY think that Jeremiah Wright's attidtude ain't part and parcel of OBama's? 20 years, Joey. 20 years he sat in that church an' listened to that hate-filled swill. Ayers is a true connection--not a casual one--read the books of both men.

I could go on...but I reckon mah real worry is this:

Obama is a marxist. His every speech and position has marxist hoof-marks all over it. All ya need do is read his own book. Nobody need read no Republican spin--jes' read what O wrote and said hisself.

Obama 's view is punitive. When Charley Gibson (a liberal) asked about tax structure an' noted that in all US history everytime taxes was cut, the gubmint took in more $$, an' when taxes was raised gubmint took in less money, Obama said that wasn't the point.

Wasn't the point? Wait, now. Think.

If the gubmint takes in more money when taxes is low, that means the gubmint then has more $$ for social programs. More money fer health care or welfare or any give-aways ya wanna dream up.

SO, if more money for gubmint programs is not the point for Obama, what IS the point fer him?

Well, he says it straight out--it's about "fairness". Huh?

Yep. He wants the achievers to suffer. He is really not interested in more money to do all his programs, but in making sure that no one makes it a notch above another--pure class warfare.

So the question this raises is, do you think that people who will not work hard (more than 8 hours a day) or risk their savings on a venture, or get an you think non-achievers should git a handout from the achievers an' that will make thangs "fair."

It is marxism. It is punitive.

Seems to Aunty that the big difference is that Obama ain't got no respect fer you. Or any belief in you.

He thinks ya cain't take care of yoreself, thinks ya' ain't got no gumption, thinks you need a nanny, that is that the gubmint will do it all fer ya in exchange for yore givin' up yore freedom.

One last thang that sticks in my craw--think on this fer a minute--does ya feel a teensy uneasy for the future of freedom when Obama's thugs muscle in on Joe the Plumber's life--even rooting around in his tax returns, that we now know more about Joe the Plumber than we do about Obama because while we see Joe's tax retunrs, we cain't even see Obama's college records?

Youse abdicated yore rights, I fear. I mean, Obmama is applyin' fer a job whar' we's the employer, but he doan want us lookin' at his resume?

An, yep, ACORN is corrupt. Even democrats admit that.

Well, we will prolly continue to disagree, but I thought in case ya wanted to know why anti-Obama folks saw such doom ahead, I'd share these thoughts.

I ain't indicatin' that McCain Palin is a good fit. But Obama is an unmitigated disaster. It's a case of voting for the lesser side of a bad deal.

Joey B said...

Thanks for dropping the comment... and taking the time to lay out your reasoning. There's a lot I don't agree with. I hate not being able to comment back right now... It seems somewhat chickenshit and cowardly. But the reality is that I can't at this moment.

But I have to say that even if you disagree with me, the fact that you feel strongly enough to blog and comment about it makes me feel good about an America that has been traditionally voting at 50% of the population. We are paying more attention to our politicians.